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Author grantjenks
Recipients barry, brett.cannon, bskinn, docs@python, grantjenks, gregory.p.smith, mdk, ncoghlan, p-ganssle, pablogsal, rhettinger, serhiy.storchaka, tim.peters, vstinner, willingc
Date 2019-06-05.04:38:46
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Pablo, I never intended disrespect toward you personally. And I am sorry my words came across that way. I would rather the feature be one of Python's more esoteric qualities.

I think Carol has described the most reasonable way forward. And in particular, I like this creative idea:

> A Sphinx extension may also be made to show a simple user-friendly view and with a click the fully accurate view.

I agree too with Raymond in this point:

> I don't think inclusion in 3.9 should be automatic.

As anecdata: I showed the PEP and feature to an intermediate class of 15 professional software engineers today. The first question I got was, "when should I use that in my Python code?" And I think the answer is rarely. We reviewed the motivating cases in the PEP and those made sense to them. But I was left feeling concern that if it were prominent and frequent in the docs then people will be likely to imitate, not least of which through simple copy/paste, what they see there without understanding the C-API and why it is that way.
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