Created on 2017-04-14 11:34 by jdemeyer, last changed 2017-04-19 11:59 by jdemeyer.
|isfunction.patch||jdemeyer, 2017-04-14 11:40||Patch for Python 3|
|msg291647 - (view)||Author: Jeroen Demeyer (jdemeyer) *||Date: 2017-04-14 11:34|
Python is supposed to encourage duck-typing, but the "inspect" module doesn't follow this advice. A particular problem is that Cython functions are not recognized by the inspect module to be functions: http://cython.readthedocs.io/en/latest/src/userguide/limitations.html#inspect-support
|msg291662 - (view)||Author: Steven D'Aprano (steven.daprano) *||Date: 2017-04-14 14:25|
Duck typing is not something that "Python" does, it is a style of programming done by Python programmers. You wouldn't expect isinstance() to try to "duck type", and likewise the inspect module should be precise about what it is inspecting. If inspect reports something is a duck, it should be an actual duck, not just something that quacks. I'm not sure that the CPython inspect module should care about Cython objects. I don't think that Cython functions should count as Python functions, I think they are different kinds of callables. But even if we decide that Cython function should be recognised by inspect.isfunction(), I don't think your patch is the right way to deal with it. Not every object with a __code__ attribute is a function. py> from types import SimpleNamespace py> x = SimpleNamespace(__code__=1, spam=2) py> '__code__' in dir(x) True Your patch would wrongly detect x as a function when it isn't even callable.
|msg291665 - (view)||Author: Jeroen Demeyer (jdemeyer) *||Date: 2017-04-14 14:42|
> If inspect reports something is a duck, it should be an actual duck, not just something that quacks. The problem is that some Python packages (Sphinx and IPython for example) really need to know whether it quacks. And the only tool they have is inspect.isfunction(), so they use that. It's silly that every single package using inspect.isfunction() should be fixed. Better just fix inspect.isfunction(). >>> from types import SimpleNamespace >>> x = SimpleNamespace(__code__=1, spam=2) >>> '__code__' in dir(x) Of course, you can always break stuff. User code is not supposed to invent new __dunder__ special names.
|msg291666 - (view)||Author: R. David Murray (r.david.murray) *||Date: 2017-04-14 14:50|
The python standard library makes extensive use of duck typing. Duck typing is a pretty fundamental part of the design of Python, IMO. Even the ABC module does a bunch of duck typing, rather than requiring strict subclassing or registration. I think the request is valid, and it is mostly a matter of agreeing on the best way to identify function ducks. (I agree that Steven's example is intentionally trying to quack like a duck and so is not, IMO, a valid counter argument against using __code__). I doubt we would make such a change in anything except a feature release, though. Let's see what other devs besides Steven and I think.
|msg291667 - (view)||Author: Serhiy Storchaka (serhiy.storchaka) *||Date: 2017-04-14 15:01|
__code__ is not enough for quacking as a function. Different code can expect other function attributes (for example __name__, __qualname__ and __module__). See also issue8488. inspect.isroutine() and inspect.ismethoddescriptor() return True for some descriptors, but they don't quack good enough for pydoc.
|msg291668 - (view)||Author: Jeroen Demeyer (jdemeyer) *||Date: 2017-04-14 15:03|
At the very least, the inspect module should use more duck-typing internally. For example, consider this code from "getfile": if ismethod(object): object = object.__func__ if isfunction(object): object = object.__code__ if istraceback(object): object = object.tb_frame if isframe(object): object = object.f_code if iscode(object): return object.co_filename
|msg291705 - (view)||Author: Terry J. Reedy (terry.reedy) *||Date: 2017-04-15 06:06|
inspect.isfunction(object) is documented to Return true if the object is a Python function, which includes functions created by a lambda expression. This is currently implemented as "isinstance(object, types.FunctionType)". The docs usually regard a 'Python function' as the result of a def statement or lambda expression. The inspect doc says that a function includes a particular set of attributes. One of them is a code object with its own fairly extensive set of attributes. Some of them are derived from the Python code. But others, in particular co_code, are specific to the current CPython bytecode version. (And co_code is intentionally writable.) To me, the main purpose of checking that something is a function, as opposed to just being callable, is to know whether one can dependably access the attributes. Given that some are inherently CPython specific, including objects compiled by third-party software seems dubious. (There is also the issue of not being able to test with 3rd party objects.) The referenced cython doc says """While it is quite possible to emulate the interface of functions in Cython’s own function type, and recent Cython releases have seen several improvements here,""" To me, this implies to me that Cython function (compiled from Cython's extended def statements) do not yet perfectly emulate (fulfill) 'Python functions'. As indicated above, perfect emulation seems impossible for Cython or any other external compiler that does not use the same bytecode. """the “inspect” module does not consider a Cython implemented function a “function”, because it tests the object type explicitly instead of comparing an abstract interface or an abstract base class. This has a negative impact on code that uses inspect to inspect function objects, but would require a change to Python itself.""" Where the current situation would be annoying is if working code uses isfunction and then Cython is used to speed up the code. But Cython could supply, if it does not now, expanded functions along with the list of cyfunction attributes and an indication of which are compatible with CPython function attributes. Cython is not the only 3rd party compiler, and not the only one that might ever be linkable to CPython. So any change to CPython should not be limited to Cython. If it were possible for Cython to makes its CythonFunction class a subclass of FunctionType, the issue would be 'solved', though the incompatibilities would remain.
|msg291716 - (view)||Author: Jeroen Demeyer (jdemeyer) *||Date: 2017-04-15 15:06|
> As indicated above, perfect emulation seems impossible for Cython or any other external compiler that does not use the same bytecode. True, Cython functions are not implemented using Python bytecode, so perfect emulation is impossible. The use case I care most about is getargspec(), which is fully supported by Cython functions. > If it were possible for Cython to makes its CythonFunction class a subclass of FunctionType, the issue would be 'solved', though the incompatibilities would remain. That's an interesting idea. Currently, that is simply impossible because >>> from types import FunctionType >>> class X(FunctionType): pass Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> TypeError: type 'function' is not an acceptable base type Still, one could argue to change the implementation of FunctionType. If you do that, it would be best to define a BaseFunctionType and then have Cython functions and Python functions inherit from that. Personally, I think that's an even better but much more involved solution (I guess it would require a PEP).
|msg291724 - (view)||Author: Jeroen Demeyer (jdemeyer) *||Date: 2017-04-15 17:24|
For the record: the __code__ attribute of a Cython function is a real "code" object (the same type as the __code__ attribute of a Python function). Of course not all fields are relevant, for example co_code is empty. So I think it's clear that Cython tries really hard to be compatible with Python functions.
|msg291728 - (view)||Author: Terry J. Reedy (terry.reedy) *||Date: 2017-04-15 20:04|
inspect.getargspec is deprecated in favor of .getfullargspec and .signature and is implemented in with .getfullargspec. This, in turn, calls ._signature_from_callable which ultimately looks for (perhaps after recursive unwrap calls) obj.__signature__. So I expect that the case you 'care most about' already works. True? It appears that .signature is intended to work for cython functions via the following helper function. Its code is somewhat awkward and tests that the object has needed attributes with needed types. def _signature_is_functionlike(obj): """Private helper to test if `obj` is a duck type of FunctionType. A good example of such objects are functions compiled with Cython, which have all attributes that a pure Python function would have, but have their code statically compiled. """ That does leave cases like the inspect.getfile code you quoted. It could be fixed with some fiddly code, but there would still be .getclosurevariables and a couple of other uses of isfunction to review. I reviewed the function and code attributes listed in https://docs.python.org/3/library/inspect.html#types-and-members and I think the necessary differences a function compiled by CPython and anything else are limited to the code object. Proposal: for a cleaner solution, define a 'mincode' base class that lacks, for instance, co_code, co_consts, co_flags, co_lnotab, and co_stacksize. Make code a subclass of this. Define 'minfunction' as a function whose __code__ is a mincode. Make function a subclass of this. Define 'isminfunction' and replace 'isfunction' where a mincode is sufficient. This might allow, for instance, _signature_is_functionlike to be removed. Details should perhaps be specified in a relatively short PEP. Discussion could maybe continue on python-ideas.
|msg291881 - (view)||Author: Jeroen Demeyer (jdemeyer) *||Date: 2017-04-19 11:59|
> So I expect that the case you 'care most about' already works. Yes, it works. That's the most ironic part of this issue: getfullargspec(func) works but packages like Sphinx will not call getfullargspec(func) because they do not detect that "func" is actually a function.
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