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> Your original proposal was to make unquote() behave like
> unquote_to_bytes(), which would require changes to virtually every app
> using unqote(), since almost all apps assume the result is a (text)
> string.

Actually, careful apps realize that the result of "unquote" in Python 2 is a
sequence of bytes, and do something careful with that.  So only careless
apps would break, and they'd break in such a way that their maintainers
would have to look at the situation again, and think about it.  Seems like a
'good thing', to me.  And since this is Python 3, fully allowed.  I really
don't understand your position here, I'm afraid.

Setting the default encoding to Latin-1 would prevent these errors,
> but would commit the sin of mojibake (the Japanese word for Perl code
> :-). I don't like that much either.

No, that would be wrong.  Returning a string just for the sake of returning
a string.  Remember, the data percent-encoded is not necessarily a string,
and not necessarily in any known encoding.

>
> A middle ground might be to set the default encoding to ASCII --
> that's closer to Martin's claim that URLs are supposed to be ASCII
> only.

URLs *are* supposed to be ASCII only -- but the percent-encoded byte
sequences in various parts of the path aren't.

This will require many apps to be changed, but at least it forces the
> developers to think about which encoding to assume (perhaps there's
> one handy in the request headers if it's a web app) or about error
> handling or perhaps using unquote_to_bytes().

Yes, this is closer to my line of reasoning.

> However I fear that this middle ground will in practice cause:
>
> (a) more in-the-field failures, since devs are notorious for testing
> with ASCII only; and

Returning bytes deals with this problem.

> (b) the creation of a recipe for "fixing" unquote() calls that fail by
> setting the encoding to UTF-8 without thinking about the alternatives,
> thereby effectively recreating the UTF-8 default with much more pain.

Could be, but at least they will have had to think about.  There's lots of
bad code out there, and maybe by making them think about it, some of it will
improve.

> A secondary concern is that it
> > will invisibly produce invalid data, because it decodes some
> > non-UTF-8-encoded string that happens to only use UTF-8-valid sequences
> > as the wrong string value.
>
> In my experience this is very unlikely. UTF-8 looks like total junk in
> Latin-1, so it's unlikely to occur naturally. If you see something
> that matches a UTF-8 sequence in Latin-1 text, it's most likely that
> in fact it was incorrectly decoded earlier...
>

Latin-1 isn't the only alternate encoding in the world, and not all
percent-encoded byte sequences in URLs are encoded strings.  I'd feel better
if we were being guided by more than your just experience (vast though it
may rightly be said to be!).  Say, by looking at all the URLs that Google
knows about :-).  I'd particularly feel better if some expert in Asian use
of the Web spoke up here...
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