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Idle documentation -- what to do if you do not see an underscore. #68498

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lac mannequin opened this issue May 28, 2015 · 9 comments
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Idle documentation -- what to do if you do not see an underscore. #68498

lac mannequin opened this issue May 28, 2015 · 9 comments
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3.7 (EOL) end of life 3.8 only security fixes docs Documentation in the Doc dir topic-IDLE type-feature A feature request or enhancement

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lac mannequin commented May 28, 2015

BPO 24310
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  • bpo-24310: Document IDLE settings dialog font tab sample #12007
  • [3.7] bpo-24310: Document IDLE settings dialog font tab sample (GH-12007) #12008
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title = 'Idle documentation -- what to do if you do not see an underscore.'
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    lac mannequin commented May 28, 2015

    On some operating systems, for instance a Macbook Pro with Retina, the
    bottoms of hanging letters such as 'g' or 'y', as well as underscorces, cannot be seen in IDLE. The fix is to go to Options -> Configure IDLE, and change the size of the default font to 9 or 11.

    Can we add this line to 25.5.5.2. and 24.6.5.2. ? It is not obvious, especially to the newbie who is trying to write their first python program that the inability to type underscores is a font problem.

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    That may be a problem better fixed in Tk itself. I don't have a Retina display handy. Assuming you have a current ActiveTcl 8.5 (8.5.18) installed, could you try some of the Tk text widget demos in /usr/local/bin/wish8.5 and see if the problem shows up there, too? Not sure what the font sizes there are, though. Thanks!

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    lac mannequin commented May 28, 2015

    I don't have one, alas. It was a question sent to webmaster. I just
    happened to know that reconfiguring your font size fixes the 'no
    underscore' problem, so it occured to me that mentioning this in the
    idle documentation might save some grief.

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    Yes, that's probably a good thing to do in any case. I can add it to the Tcl/Tk info page for OS X as at least an interim measure:

    https://www.python.org/download/mac/tcltk/

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    lac mannequin commented May 28, 2015

    Thank you. I don't think that this problem is unique to Retina Macbooks -- I had it on an ancient Toshiba laptop I was using about 15 years ago.
    It's not something that I have thought of very much recently. :)

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    Sorry this issue slipped off my radar. Terry's new PR 12007 provides a more general documentation update such that the I no longer think the tcltk page should be updated. Removing myself.

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    I don't think one 4-years-old anonymous report missing essential details, and not verified since, is sufficient to drive a doc change, especially since the Mac installer has switched from recommending ActiveState 8.5.18 to installing our own compilation of 8.6.8.

    On my MacBook Air with Mohave and 3.7.2, I added 'p__g' to the top of IDLE settings dialog font tab text sample and looked for glitches with various fonts and sizes. The only thing I found was with Optima 13. The 'g' was the double loop ('eyeglasses') form and a bit of the bottom of the lower loop was gone or thin. It was still easily recognized and the 'p__' part was unaffected.

    I decided to document use of the font sample, including the possibility of changing face and size to avoid glitches. Since the procedure is generic for any platform or character, I did not specify Mac or 'p_g'.

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    New changeset d610116 by Terry Jan Reedy in branch 'master':
    bpo-24310: Document IDLE settings dialog font tab sample (GH-12007)
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    New changeset 38aea41 by Miss Islington (bot) in branch '3.7':
    bpo-24310: Document IDLE settings dialog font tab sample (GH-12007)
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