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Title: macOS 11.1 + Homebrew 2.6.2 + Python 3.9.1 = "IDLE" crash
Type: crash Stage: resolved
Components: macOS, Tkinter Versions: Python 3.9
process
Status: closed Resolution: duplicate
Dependencies: Superseder: Python Tkinter crashes on macOS 11.1 beta
View: 42480
Assigned To: Nosy List: fxcoudert, ned.deily, p.sirenko.94, ronaldoussoren, terry.reedy
Priority: normal Keywords:

Created on 2020-12-20 18:27 by p.sirenko.94, last changed 2022-04-11 14:59 by admin. This issue is now closed.

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msg383436 - (view) Author: Пётр Сиренко (p.sirenko.94) Date: 2020-12-20 18:27
Process:               Python [3355]
Path:                  /usr/local/Cellar/python@3.9/3.9.1_1/IDLE 3.app/Contents/MacOS/Python
Identifier:            org.python.IDLE
Version:               3.9.1 (3.9.1)
Code Type:             X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process:        ??? [1]
Responsible:           Python [3355]
User ID:               502

Date/Time:             2020-12-20 21:22:43.045 +0300
OS Version:            macOS 11.1 (20C69)
Report Version:        12
Bridge OS Version:     5.1 (18P3030)
Anonymous UUID:        0607359F-0422-4E24-D0EC-3FDFB0D5A17C


Time Awake Since Boot: 940 seconds

System Integrity Protection: enabled

Crashed Thread:        0  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Exception Type:        EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT)
Exception Codes:       0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000
Exception Note:        EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

Application Specific Information:
abort() called

Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0   libsystem_kernel.dylib        	0x00007fff20307462 __pthread_kill + 10
1   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	0x00007fff20335610 pthread_kill + 263
2   libsystem_c.dylib             	0x00007fff20288720 abort + 120
3   Tcl                           	0x00007fff6fe06b55 Tcl_PanicVA + 398
4   Tcl                           	0x00007fff6fe06bd5 Tcl_Panic + 128
5   Tk                            	0x00007fff6ff06ad5 TkpInit + 385
6   Tk                            	0x00007fff6fe86788 0x7fff6fe55000 + 202632
7   _tkinter.cpython-39-darwin.so 	0x0000000101dbe701 Tcl_AppInit + 84
8   _tkinter.cpython-39-darwin.so 	0x0000000101db99fa _tkinter_create + 975
9   org.python.python             	0x00000001018b11bb cfunction_vectorcall_FASTCALL + 203
10  org.python.python             	0x0000000101928ff3 call_function + 403
11  org.python.python             	0x0000000101926184 _PyEval_EvalFrameDefault + 27452
12  org.python.python             	0x0000000101929b3b _PyEval_EvalCode + 1998
13  org.python.python             	0x00000001018815d8 _PyFunction_Vectorcall + 248
14  org.python.python             	0x0000000101880e28 _PyObject_FastCallDictTstate + 149
15  org.python.python             	0x0000000101881891 _PyObject_Call_Prepend + 139
16  org.python.python             	0x00000001018c9e96 slot_tp_init + 87
17  org.python.python             	0x00000001018c36f7 type_call + 150
18  org.python.python             	0x0000000101880fa3 _PyObject_MakeTpCall + 266
19  org.python.python             	0x0000000101929027 call_function + 455
20  org.python.python             	0x00000001019262ee _PyEval_EvalFrameDefault + 27814
21  org.python.python             	0x0000000101929b3b _PyEval_EvalCode + 1998
22  org.python.python             	0x00000001018815d8 _PyFunction_Vectorcall + 248
23  org.python.python             	0x0000000101928ff3 call_function + 403
24  org.python.python             	0x0000000101926230 _PyEval_EvalFrameDefault + 27624
25  org.python.python             	0x0000000101929b3b _PyEval_EvalCode + 1998
26  org.python.python             	0x000000010191f56d PyEval_EvalCode + 79
27  org.python.python             	0x000000010195a5b5 run_eval_code_obj + 110
28  org.python.python             	0x00000001019599ad run_mod + 103
29  org.python.python             	0x0000000101958871 PyRun_FileExFlags + 241
30  org.python.python             	0x0000000101957e61 PyRun_SimpleFileExFlags + 271
31  org.python.python             	0x000000010196fd88 Py_RunMain + 1839
32  org.python.python             	0x00000001019700c1 pymain_main + 306
33  org.python.python             	0x000000010197010f Py_BytesMain + 42
34  libdyld.dylib                 	0x00007fff20350621 start + 1

Thread 1:
0   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	0x00007fff20331458 start_wqthread + 0

Thread 2:
0   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	0x00007fff20331458 start_wqthread + 0

Thread 3:
0   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	0x00007fff20331458 start_wqthread + 0

Thread 4:
0   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	0x00007fff20331458 start_wqthread + 0

Thread 5:
0   libsystem_pthread.dylib       	0x00007fff20331458 start_wqthread + 0

Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit):
  rax: 0x0000000000000000  rbx: 0x000000010a905e00  rcx: 0x00007ffeee3c1068  rdx: 0x0000000000000000
  rdi: 0x0000000000000307  rsi: 0x0000000000000006  rbp: 0x00007ffeee3c1090  rsp: 0x00007ffeee3c1068
   r8: 0x00000000000130a8   r9: 0x00007fff889950e8  r10: 0x000000010a905e00  r11: 0x0000000000000246
  r12: 0x0000000000000307  r13: 0x00007fb37d04b790  r14: 0x0000000000000006  r15: 0x0000000000000016
  rip: 0x00007fff20307462  rfl: 0x0000000000000246  cr2: 0x00007fff8d152f70
  
Logical CPU:     0
Error Code:      0x02000148
Trap Number:     133

Thread 0 instruction stream not available.

Thread 0 last branch register state not available.


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msg383451 - (view) Author: Terry J. Reedy (terry.reedy) * (Python committer) Date: 2020-12-20 20:54
This is a 'ancient, buggy tcl/tk 8.5.9 on OS11' issue, not an IDLE issue.  Only 8.6.10 has a chance with OS11, and even that is a bit flakey.  But I have no issues so far running 3.9.1 and IDLE with the Universal2 OS11 build from python.org on Mohave.

What happens if you run 'python3.9' on a command line?  What about 'python 3.9 -c "import tkinter; tkinter.Tk()"'?

Ned & Ronald: I expect we should close this as 3rd party (Apple, Active State (tcl/tk), and homebrew).  Do either of you want to add anything?
msg383488 - (view) Author: Ned Deily (ned.deily) * (Python committer) Date: 2020-12-21 05:18
This is the same sort of crash of a Homebrew Python as reported in Issue42480 and the root cause is the same: the Homebrew recipe is allowing building and linking with the known faulty and deprecated Apple-provided system Tcl and Tk 8.5.9 frameworks. It needs to be modified to use a newer (8.6.x) version of Tcl and Tk.
msg383491 - (view) Author: Пётр Сиренко (p.sirenko.94) Date: 2020-12-21 06:42
petr@air-anastasia ~ % python3 -c "import tkinter; tkinter.Tk()"   
macOS 11 or later required !
zsh: abort      python3 -c "import tkinter; tkinter.Tk()"

>>> tkinter.TclVersion
8.5
>>> tkinter.TkVersion
8.5

petr@air-anastasia ~ % brew install tcl-tk
Updating Homebrew...
==> Auto-updated Homebrew!
Updated Homebrew from f47c1eae3 to 1eff47766.
Updated 2 taps (homebrew/core and homebrew/cask).
==> New Formulae
xcb-util-image             xcb-util-renderutil        xcb-util-wm
==> Updated Formulae
Updated 29 formulae.
==> Updated Casks
Updated 18 casks.

==> Downloading https://homebrew.bintray.com/bottles/tcl-tk-8.6.10.big_sur.bottl
==> Downloading from https://d29vzk4ow07wi7.cloudfront.net/b7c942f7fc15b6a402bf4
######################################################################## 100.0%
==> Pouring tcl-tk-8.6.10.big_sur.bottle.1.tar.gz
==> Caveats
tcl-tk is keg-only, which means it was not symlinked into /usr/local,
because macOS already provides this software and installing another version in
parallel can cause all kinds of trouble.

If you need to have tcl-tk first in your PATH run:
  echo 'export PATH="/usr/local/opt/tcl-tk/bin:$PATH"' >> ~/.zshrc

For compilers to find tcl-tk you may need to set:
  export LDFLAGS="-L/usr/local/opt/tcl-tk/lib"
  export CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/local/opt/tcl-tk/include"

==> Summary
🍺  /usr/local/Cellar/tcl-tk/8.6.10: 3,037 files, 51.4MB

I have tried to update tcl-tk with the homebrew, but in command line I see 8.5
Could you please help me to fix this tcl-tk problem?
msg383537 - (view) Author: Ned Deily (ned.deily) * (Python committer) Date: 2020-12-21 16:20
> I have tried to update tcl-tk with the homebrew, but in command line I see 8.5
> Could you please help me to fix this tcl-tk problem?

You should check with the Homebrew project; we have no insight into or control over their packaging choices.  Good luck!
msg383539 - (view) Author: FX Coudert (fxcoudert) * Date: 2020-12-21 17:11
Hi Ned,

FX from Homebrew here. One of the reasons we a couple of years ago to stick with macOS system tcl-tk was that cpython's configure does not currently allow to build against our tcl-tk, which is not a framework but a simple Unix-style library build. We can definitely reconsider if you recommend a newer tcl-tk, but do you know if the build issues with non-framework tcl-tk have been fixed?
msg383541 - (view) Author: FX Coudert (fxcoudert) * Date: 2020-12-21 17:36
After checking, I can see the code in cpython's setup.py is still there. detect_tkinter_darwin will prefer the system's version over anything we can specific in our cflags or ldflags. This seems contrary to the advice above not to use macOS system Tcl/Tk.
msg383542 - (view) Author: Ned Deily (ned.deily) * (Python committer) Date: 2020-12-21 17:48
If you are not using Tcl and Tk framework builds installed in /Library, you use the configure or make options:

  --with-tcltk-includes='-I...'
                          override search for Tcl and Tk include files
  --with-tcltk-libs='-L...'
                          override search for Tcl and Tk libs

to specify exactly where to find your versions of Tcl and Tk. See the comments in setup.py:

    def detect_tkinter_explicitly(self):
        # Build _tkinter using explicit locations for Tcl/Tk.
        #
        # This is enabled when both arguments are given to ./configure:
        #
        #     --with-tcltk-includes="-I/path/to/tclincludes \
        #                            -I/path/to/tkincludes"
        #     --with-tcltk-libs="-L/path/to/tcllibs -ltclm.n \
        #                        -L/path/to/tklibs -ltkm.n"
        #
        # These values can also be specified or overridden via make:
        #    make TCLTK_INCLUDES="..." TCLTK_LIBS="..."
        #
        # This can be useful for building and testing tkinter with multiple
        # versions of Tcl/Tk.  Note that a build of Tk depends on a particular
        # build of Tcl so you need to specify both arguments and use care when
        # overriding.

        # The _TCLTK variables are created in the Makefile sharedmods target.
msg383543 - (view) Author: FX Coudert (fxcoudert) * Date: 2020-12-21 17:51
But we can override with --with-tcltk-includes and --with-tcltk-libs
I've opened a pull request for Homebrew to switch to recent tcl-tk: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/pull/67378
msg383544 - (view) Author: FX Coudert (fxcoudert) * Date: 2020-12-21 17:58
Our messages crossed, thanks Ned for the help. Hopefully we'll be solving this in a way that benefit most users.
msg383545 - (view) Author: Пётр Сиренко (p.sirenko.94) Date: 2020-12-21 18:03
Guys, thank you all for joining the conversation!

I don't understand what exactly should I do to fix this, but I have a lot to study through py4u and plenty of time before I will really need Python fixed.
Should I do something with this now or just wait for updates?
msg383547 - (view) Author: Terry J. Reedy (terry.reedy) * (Python committer) Date: 2020-12-21 18:29
To use tkinter and hence IDLE and turtle on macOS, get the Mac Python installer on python.org.
msg383549 - (view) Author: Ned Deily (ned.deily) * (Python committer) Date: 2020-12-21 18:44
> Should I do something with this now or just wait for updates?

I'd wait for a Homebrew recipe update.
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2020-12-21 18:44:39ned.deilysetmessages: + msg383549
2020-12-21 18:29:19terry.reedysetmessages: + msg383547
2020-12-21 18:03:57p.sirenko.94setmessages: + msg383545
2020-12-21 17:58:23fxcoudertsetmessages: + msg383544
2020-12-21 17:51:52fxcoudertsetmessages: + msg383543
2020-12-21 17:48:17ned.deilysetmessages: + msg383542
2020-12-21 17:36:36fxcoudertsetmessages: + msg383541
2020-12-21 17:11:36fxcoudertsetmessages: + msg383539
2020-12-21 16:20:26ned.deilysetmessages: + msg383537
2020-12-21 06:42:42p.sirenko.94setmessages: + msg383491
2020-12-21 05:18:33ned.deilysetstatus: open -> closed

superseder: Python Tkinter crashes on macOS 11.1 beta

nosy: + fxcoudert
messages: + msg383488
resolution: duplicate
stage: resolved
2020-12-20 20:54:49terry.reedysetnosy: + ronaldoussoren, ned.deily
messages: + msg383451

assignee: terry.reedy ->
components: + macOS, Tkinter, - IDLE
2020-12-20 18:27:46p.sirenko.94settitle: macOS 11.1 + Homebrew 2.6.2 + python 3.9.1 = idle crash -> macOS 11.1 + Homebrew 2.6.2 + Python 3.9.1 = "IDLE" crash
2020-12-20 18:27:12p.sirenko.94create