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Title: Please add argument to override stdin/out/err in the input builtin
Type: Stage: patch review
Components: IO Versions: Python 3.7
Status: open Resolution:
Dependencies: Superseder:
Assigned To: Nosy List: anthonypjshaw, cheryl.sabella, iritkatriel, r.david.murray, serhiy.storchaka, wt
Priority: normal Keywords: patch

Created on 2017-09-27 06:34 by wt, last changed 2022-04-11 14:58 by admin.

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PR 3814 open wt, 2017-09-29 05:31
Messages (9)
msg303103 - (view) Author: Wren Turkal (wt) Date: 2017-09-27 06:34
I would really love to add a few params to input so that it's signature looked more like so:

def input(prompt, /, *, fin=sys.stdin, fout=sys.stdout, ferr=sys.stderr):

This would certainly make overriding the the files in specific calls to input easier. A reasonable use case is collecting a piece over /dev/tty explicitly so that a redirected stdin could be used to pipe data into a program while overriding using /dev/tty to collect some piece of data. Here's some code illustrating what I'd like:

import sys
sys.stdin = open('/dev/null', 'r')
with open('/dev/tty', 'r') as f:
    x = input('Name? ', fin=f)

FWIW, I have actually already implemented this fully (including tests). I am just trying to see what I need to do to allow release since I am work on my employer's time.

In the interest of getting feedback, does the signature provided above look sane?
msg303105 - (view) Author: Wren Turkal (wt) Date: 2017-09-27 06:41
This might also allow simplification of the getpass.unix_getpass() logic. I am not 100% sure about that yet though.
msg303132 - (view) Author: R. David Murray (r.david.murray) * (Python committer) Date: 2017-09-27 12:52
This is probably a topic for the python-ideas mailing list.  For example, rather than complicating input, it might be better to propose adding a redirect_stdin to contextlib to parallel the two existing redirect context managers.  I don't remember why that was not added when the others were, but there was probably a reason, so a discussion about what the best solution is for the use case is in order, and python-ideas is the place for that.
msg303135 - (view) Author: Serhiy Storchaka (serhiy.storchaka) * (Python committer) Date: 2017-09-27 13:06
input() is a convenient function for simple user interaction. If you need to read a data from different file object just use its readline() method.
msg303297 - (view) Author: Wren Turkal (wt) Date: 2017-09-29 05:31
Added a PR to facilitate discussion on python-ideas.
msg338208 - (view) Author: Cheryl Sabella (cheryl.sabella) * (Python committer) Date: 2019-03-18 12:04
For reference, here's the link to the Python ideas thread:
msg341587 - (view) Author: anthony shaw (anthonypjshaw) * (Python triager) Date: 2019-05-06 18:27
The discussion on python-ideas has some unresolved questions. Wren, did you get a definitive answer on this idea?
msg410816 - (view) Author: Irit Katriel (iritkatriel) * (Python committer) Date: 2022-01-17 18:23
See also Issue1927.
msg411041 - (view) Author: Wren Turkal (wt) Date: 2022-01-20 18:29
I'm not sure that I ever got a definitive issue, but I didn't have time to
push it forward. I still think the idea has merit. I'd love to see it
implemented, but I don't have the time to pursue it right now.


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