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Title: PEP 453: enable pip by default in the Windows binary installers
Type: enhancement Stage: needs patch
Components: Versions: Python 3.4
Status: closed Resolution: fixed
Dependencies: Superseder:
Assigned To: loewis Nosy List: dstufft, larry, loewis, ncoghlan, ned.deily, python-dev
Priority: release blocker Keywords:

Created on 2013-11-23 01:47 by ncoghlan, last changed 2022-04-11 14:57 by admin. This issue is now closed.

Messages (23)
msg203949 - (view) Author: Nick Coghlan (ncoghlan) * (Python committer) Date: 2013-11-23 01:47
While implementing the Windows installer for PEP 453 in issue 19550, MvL pointed out that, *by default*, the installers should be able to uninstall everything they install.

At the moment, if they install pip by default, that's not accurate, as we don't currently have the appropriate command defined to do the uninstall.

For beta 1, Martin just went with the option of leaving the option off by default, but it would be good to resolve the uninstallation problem and allow it to be enabled by default.

My suggestion for a design requirement is:

    If a user installs CPython use the binary installer, makes no changes to the installation options, makes no use of the installed pip and then uninstalls CPython, then there should be no CPython related files left on their system.

If they *do* use the installed pip (whether to upgrade pip itself or to install other packages), then files may potentially be left behind, since they're seen as user data files by CPython.

I also think it's OK if uninstalling CPython removes setuptools and pip from that installation's site-packages, even if they had been upgraded following the original installation.
msg203951 - (view) Author: Donald Stufft (dstufft) * (Python committer) Date: 2013-11-23 01:49
I don't know much about installers, can they execute code as part of their uninstall process?
msg203952 - (view) Author: Donald Stufft (dstufft) * (Python committer) Date: 2013-11-23 01:51
Also does the PEP need updated? It specifically called out this problem and said that it will leave pip behind?
msg203953 - (view) Author: Ned Deily (ned.deily) * (Python committer) Date: 2013-11-23 02:07
FTR, on OS X, there is no standard mechanism provided by the Apple-supplied installer program to uninstall binary packages.  Thus, most third-party binary distributions for OS X that use the OS X installer can only be uninstalled manually unless they provide some custom uninstall script or package.  The OS X installers have not provided such up to now, although it has been suggested in the past.  So this discussion does not currently apply to them.
msg203971 - (view) Author: Ned Deily (ned.deily) * (Python committer) Date: 2013-11-23 06:45
Also, FTR, the "install or upgrade pip" option is currently enabled by default for the OS X installers.
msg203982 - (view) Author: Martin v. Löwis (loewis) * (Python committer) Date: 2013-11-23 10:13
This "clean uninstall" is a convention at least on Windows and Linux (except that on Linux, you have the option of leaving manually-edited configuration files behind if you wish).

An MSI can indeed invoke commands on uninstall (preferably of course before removing the actual Python interpreter, if the command needs Python). This is currently commented out in

I agree that the current implementation correctly implements the PEP. The PEP says that it will leave files behind on uninstall, and it does. The PEP is silent on whether the option to install pip should be enabled by default, so it is off by default. If people really really want it, I could enable it by default, making it leave files behind. I would do so protestingly, and predict that users would complain.

The PEP also states that uninstallation is beyond its scope - so if uninstallation was added, no PEP change would be needed.

MSI also supports "authored" removal of files, i.e. I could explicitly hard-code a list of files to be removed on uninstall, see

This supports wildcard file names, so I would only need to hardcode the list of directories to be removed.

Removal would only happen when the user originally selected to install pip. If it is done through a command, the command could opt to not remove pip if pip had been updated; the "authored" removal would remove the files regardless whether the had been updated (entirely new directories created in an update would be untouched).

One issue could be upgrades: currently, an upgrade (say to 3.4.1) is done by removing all files from the previous version, then installing all files of the new version. A command to remove should then not remove if the installed version is newer than the bundled one, or else the upgrade might downgrade pip.
msg204011 - (view) Author: Donald Stufft (dstufft) * (Python committer) Date: 2013-11-23 13:46
Well the PEP does state that the option will be checked by default, but I'm not arguing that we shouldn't implement uninstall if Windows users expect it, I was just trying to figure out if we needed to update the PEP.

So unilaterally removing on uninstall sounds easy enough since you said you can use wildcards and such. The other option is to implement the uninstallation inside of ensurepip and just execute ``python -m pip uninstall setuptools pip`` in that case we can check version numbers and only uninstall if the version number is equal to the bundled one.

Unfortunately I'm not sure I'm going to have time to get an uninstall command implemented before the 24th.
msg204032 - (view) Author: Nick Coghlan (ncoghlan) * (Python committer) Date: 2013-11-23 14:33
This one isn't a feature freeze issue - what MvL has done already is fine
for now, and we can still add internal helper APIs during the beta.
msg204034 - (view) Author: Nick Coghlan (ncoghlan) * (Python committer) Date: 2013-11-23 14:38
As far as updating the PEP goes, it's a rare PEP indeed that is implemented
exactly according to spec - the integration process almost always uncovers
details that don't quite work out the way we thought they would.

For minor issues, we usually handle such changes without updating the PEP -
the issue tracker and the reference docs become the authoritative source.

Larger issues get discussed again on python-dev, and may lead to PEP
updates or even an additional PEP. That's pretty rare, though, as it
requires the original PEP discussion to miss something big.
msg204040 - (view) Author: Martin v. Löwis (loewis) * (Python committer) Date: 2013-11-23 15:10
I agree with Nick; this is really a minor issue and we can resolve it here in the tracker. I missed the place in the PEP where it said that the option should be checked, since it mentions changes to the installers twice, and in "implementation strategy", it doesn't mention a default.

I'd prefer if uninstall was "symmetric" to install, i.e. if I need to run a command on install (rather than deploying files directly), then I also should run a reverse command on uninstall.
msg204296 - (view) Author: Nick Coghlan (ncoghlan) * (Python committer) Date: 2013-11-25 06:23
Given MvL's comment above, my suggestion is that we add an "ensurepip._uninstall" submodule that uninstalls pip and setuptools if it is invoked as __main__ and the following snippet results in uinstall being set to True:

        import pip
    except ImportError:
        uninstall = False
        uninstall = (pip.__version__ == ensurepip.version())

(I believe PIP_VERSION in ensurepip is currently wrong, as it has an extra dot that shouldn't be there, but we can fix that as part of implementing this, and tweak the test in test_venv to ensure it doesn't get out of sync again)
msg204776 - (view) Author: Nick Coghlan (ncoghlan) * (Python committer) Date: 2013-11-30 05:22
I'm going to run with the approach of adding a private _uninstall function in ensurepip (that includes the version guard), and then a "python -m ensurepip._uninstall" submodule to invoke it from the command line.

I'll also extend the with_pip test in test_venv to cover uninstallation (it won't be a venv feature, it's just a convenient way to test that the uninstall command actually does the right thing).
msg204779 - (view) Author: Roundup Robot (python-dev) (Python triager) Date: 2013-11-30 07:15
New changeset 7dc4bf283857 by Nick Coghlan in branch 'default':
Issue #19728: add private ensurepip._uninstall CLI
msg204780 - (view) Author: Nick Coghlan (ncoghlan) * (Python committer) Date: 2013-11-30 07:22
Running this command in the installer should now clean up pip and setuptools:

    python -m ensurepip._uninstall

If pip is not installed, it silently does nothing.

If pip is installed, but doesn't match ensurepip.version(), it throws RuntimeError.

If pip is installed and is the expected version, it removes both pip and setuptools (there's no separate version check before removing setuptools)

The tests in test_ensurepip are mocked out (to avoid any side effects on the test process), but test_venv now covers both installation and uninstallation (since it invokes a subprocess, thus avoiding the side effect problem).
msg204782 - (view) Author: Ned Deily (ned.deily) * (Python committer) Date: 2013-11-30 07:34
Looks like the buildbots are complaining, for example:

FAIL: test_with_pip (test.test_venv.EnsurePipTest)
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/opt/python/3.x.langa-ubuntu/build/Lib/test/", line 342, in test_with_pip
    self.assertEqual(err, "")
AssertionError: '/tmp/tmp0hm1zng7/bin/python: No module named ensurepip._uninstall\n' != ''
- /tmp/tmp0hm1zng7/bin/python: No module named ensurepip._uninstall
msg204784 - (view) Author: Roundup Robot (python-dev) (Python triager) Date: 2013-11-30 08:35
New changeset a0ec33efa743 by Nick Coghlan in branch 'default':
Issue #19728: don't be sensitive to line endings
msg204876 - (view) Author: Nick Coghlan (ncoghlan) * (Python committer) Date: 2013-12-01 02:16
Oops, fumble fingered the issue number in one of the commits. This was the commit for the missing hg add Ned pointed above:
msg205791 - (view) Author: Donald Stufft (dstufft) * (Python committer) Date: 2013-12-10 11:30
Is there anything left in this ticket to be done?
msg205796 - (view) Author: Nick Coghlan (ncoghlan) * (Python committer) Date: 2013-12-10 11:52
Yes, it still needs to be integrated into the installer and the default state of the feature changed.

I expect MvL will look into that before creating the beta 2 installer.

Bumping the priority accordingly, though (I originally set it to high when we weren't sure if we were going to fix it for 3.4)
msg206851 - (view) Author: Roundup Robot (python-dev) (Python triager) Date: 2013-12-23 08:22
New changeset cd62fc2488cf by Nick Coghlan in branch 'default':
Issue #19728: fix ensurepip name clash with submodule
msg206852 - (view) Author: Nick Coghlan (ncoghlan) * (Python committer) Date: 2013-12-23 08:23
I noticed that actually importing ensurepip._uninstall would clobber the helper function, so I renamed it and added some new tests to check the basics of the command line functionality from the main ensurepip tests.
msg207160 - (view) Author: Roundup Robot (python-dev) (Python triager) Date: 2014-01-02 13:12
New changeset 4c7b3e7fd4ca by Martin v. Löwis in branch 'default':
Issue #19728: Enable pip installation by default on Windows.
msg207161 - (view) Author: Martin v. Löwis (loewis) * (Python committer) Date: 2014-01-02 13:13
The command works fine; I have now integrated it into the installer.
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