Tim came up  with a fitting amendment to the Zen of Python. It pretty much sums up our future Code of Conduct in one sentence. But see for yourself! ;)

Disagreed. This is the kind of sentence that cannot be correctly
understood without the (missing) original context.

It is also, IMHO, a rather poor wording. The categories of "civilized"
and "barbarian", as any kind of binary thinking (us vs. them) are routinely
used to diminish foreign or dominated cultures (or worse, think about
colonialism). I think they shouldn't be related with either a CoC, or the
more general efforts towards diversity.

The evolution of the meaning of "barbarian" should shed a light:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarian

On Mar 07, 2013, at 03:58 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:

>Disagreed. This is the kind of sentence that cannot be correctly
>understood without the (missing) original context.

Plus, we fear change. ;)

Yeah, but in this case I think Antoine is right.  This kind of "argument" is the kind of argument that is used to shut down discussion, in form whether or not in substance.  Which is too bad, because it is nicely clever.

How about "civility beats rudeness". That's clearly delineates it's about your discourse with others and eliminates any superiority issues people were feeling with the term "barbaric".

Obviously Tim would still need to sign off on this as well.

As I just clarified on the members list, the "Zen" is about the design of Python-the-language.  It's hard to imagine that a programming language _could_ be barbaric or rude, Perl notwithstanding ;-)

Actually, INTERCAL mandates a certain amount of politeness (not too little, but not too much either): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTERCAL

Tim has spoken, so closing the bug as rejected.