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Title: Instance methods and WeakRefs don't mix.
Type: enhancement Stage: resolved
Components: Library (Lib) Versions: Python 3.4
Status: closed Resolution: fixed
Dependencies: Superseder:
Assigned To: Nosy List: Sundance, daniel.urban, jcea, mark.dickinson, pitrou, python-dev, sfeltman
Priority: normal Keywords: patch

Created on 2012-04-20 13:49 by Sundance, last changed 2022-04-11 14:57 by admin. This issue is now closed.

File name Uploaded Description Edit Sundance, 2012-04-20 13:49
weakmethod.patch pitrou, 2012-11-11 19:07 review
Messages (12)
msg158828 - (view) Author: (Sundance) Date: 2012-04-20 13:49

The behavior of instance methods makes it impossible to keep a weakref on them. The reference dies instantly even if the instance and the method still exist.


>>> import weakref

>>> callbacks = weakref.WeakSet()

>>> def callback1():
...   print "In callback1."

>>> class SomeClass:
...   def callback2(self):
...     print "In callback2."

>>> some_instance = SomeClass()

>>> callbacks.add( callback1 )
>>> callbacks.add( some_instance.callback2 )

>>> for callback in callbacks:
...   callback()
In callback1.

>>> ## callback2 is never called!


The WeakSet in the example above, and the weakref.ref() it employs, actually behave as specified. It's the particular nature of bound methods that causes the unexpected behavior.

From what I understand, instance methods are bound dynamically when looked up on the instance. A new object of type instancemethod is created each time:

>>> t1 = some_instance.callback
>>> t2 = some_instance.callback
>>> t1 is t2

So when a program calls weakref.ref(some_instance.callback), a new instancemethod object is created on the fly, a weakref to that object is created... and the instancemethod object dies, because its refcount is 0.

This fundamental difference between instance methods and other callables makes it painful to implement weakly referencing callback registries.


Changing the fundamental nature of instance methods to accommodate one single corner case doesn't seem worthwhile.

Similarly, changing the behavior of weakref.ref(), which does work as specified, is probably not a good idea.

My approach is thus to provide a new helper, WeakCallableRef, that behaves like weakref.ref(), but is safe to use on callables and does what you would naturally expect with instance methods.

It works by binding the lifetime of the ref to that of 1/ the instance bearing the method, and 2/ the unbound method itself. It is also safe to use on other function types beside instance methods, so implementations of callback registries don't have to special case depending on the callable type.

The unexpected behavior should also be mentioned somewhere in the weakref documentation, by the way.

See attached file for a proposed implementation.
msg158834 - (view) Author: Mark Dickinson (mark.dickinson) * (Python committer) Date: 2012-04-20 15:16
I quite like the WeakCallableRef idea, having had to work around this problem myself in the past (using a similar mechanism).

This looks like a feature request rather than a bug report, though;  changing Type and Versions accordingly.
msg175343 - (view) Author: Mark Dickinson (mark.dickinson) * (Python committer) Date: 2012-11-11 10:18
Adding some useful links from Simon Feltman in issue 16452.

See also:

This is the recipes:
msg175344 - (view) Author: Simon Feltman (sfeltman) Date: 2012-11-11 10:20
Just a note this is also referred to as a "WeakMethod" by some folks (so this ticket shows up in those searches). See also:
msg175372 - (view) Author: Antoine Pitrou (pitrou) * (Python committer) Date: 2012-11-11 17:16
WeakMethod sounds like a good name to me. However, instead of acting as a proxy, I think it should act as a regular weakref (i.e. you have to call it to get the actual method object).
msg175384 - (view) Author: Antoine Pitrou (pitrou) * (Python committer) Date: 2012-11-11 19:07
Here is a patch adding a WeakMethod class. It still lacks docs, I'll add some if people agree on the principle.
msg175391 - (view) Author: Simon Feltman (sfeltman) Date: 2012-11-11 21:23
The WeakCallableRef that was attached seemed to support regular functions (or anything callable) which is nice. The naming also leaves room for a WeakCallableProxy.
msg175392 - (view) Author: Simon Feltman (sfeltman) Date: 2012-11-11 21:34
Some more complex examples from various libraries:

I think both of these originated in pydispatcher.
msg175474 - (view) Author: Mark Dickinson (mark.dickinson) * (Python committer) Date: 2012-11-12 21:32
The patch looks okay to me.

What does inheriting from 'ref' buy you?  This feels a bit strange to me: the way I think of it, the WeakMethod *has* a weakref to the underlying object, rather than *being* a weakref to the underlying object.  The __repr__ also seems a bit misleading as a result:

>>> o = Object()
>>> m = o.some_method
>>> WeakMethod(m)
<weakref at 0x100665ae0; to 'Object' at 0x101115840>
msg175475 - (view) Author: Antoine Pitrou (pitrou) * (Python committer) Date: 2012-11-12 21:34
> What does inheriting from 'ref' buy you?

Hmm, I'm not sure. I thought I'd mimick KeyedRef's inheritance design, plus isinstance(..., weakref.ref) works, and composition would make the object slightly bigger. Other than that, probably nothing.
msg175792 - (view) Author: Roundup Robot (python-dev) (Python triager) Date: 2012-11-17 18:00
New changeset 27c20650aeab by Antoine Pitrou in branch 'default':
Issue #14631: Add a new :class:`weakref.WeakMethod` to simulate weak references to bound methods.
msg175793 - (view) Author: Antoine Pitrou (pitrou) * (Python committer) Date: 2012-11-17 18:01
Committed, thank you!
Date User Action Args
2022-04-11 14:57:29adminsetgithub: 58836
2012-11-26 17:46:13jceasetsuperseder: Instance methods and WeakRefs don't mix. ->
2012-11-26 17:46:13jceaunlinkissue14631 superseder
2012-11-26 17:44:33jcealinkissue813299 superseder
2012-11-26 17:43:26jceasetsuperseder: Instance methods and WeakRefs don't mix.
2012-11-26 17:43:26jcealinkissue14631 superseder
2012-11-26 17:38:48jceasetnosy: + jcea
2012-11-17 18:01:46pitrousetstatus: open -> closed
resolution: fixed
messages: + msg175793

stage: patch review -> resolved
2012-11-17 18:00:00python-devsetnosy: + python-dev
messages: + msg175792
2012-11-12 21:34:38pitrousetmessages: + msg175475
2012-11-12 21:32:29mark.dickinsonsetmessages: + msg175474
2012-11-11 21:34:09sfeltmansetmessages: + msg175392
2012-11-11 21:23:49sfeltmansetmessages: + msg175391
2012-11-11 20:55:06daniel.urbansetnosy: + daniel.urban
2012-11-11 19:07:29pitrousetfiles: + weakmethod.patch
keywords: + patch
messages: + msg175384
2012-11-11 17:16:43pitrousetnosy: + pitrou
messages: + msg175372
2012-11-11 10:28:36mark.dickinsonsetversions: + Python 3.4, - Python 3.3
2012-11-11 10:20:17sfeltmansetmessages: + msg175344
2012-11-11 10:19:04mark.dickinsonlinkissue16452 superseder
2012-11-11 10:18:49mark.dickinsonsetnosy: + sfeltman
messages: + msg175343
2012-04-20 15:16:21mark.dickinsonsetversions: + Python 3.3, - Python 2.7
nosy: + mark.dickinson

messages: + msg158834

type: behavior -> enhancement
stage: patch review
2012-04-20 13:49:42Sundancecreate